tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621541723616649729.post7359052202577595538..comments2014-05-09T08:23:34.951-07:00Comments on Leclaire's A.P. Literature Blog: 2013-2014: October 23, 2013: What's Happening in A.P. Literature?kleclairehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03942217584894176389noreply@blogger.comBlogger1125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2621541723616649729.post-74805002539970464362013-10-23T09:40:50.984-07:002013-10-23T09:40:50.984-07:00Act 4 - Scene 3: Hotspur’s rant on King Henry’s ch...Act 4 - Scene 3: Hotspur’s rant on King Henry’s choices <br />If King henry had kept Northumberland, do you think the rebellion would have continued? Was it to speak for the people, or just so the rebels can save a little face?<br />The war may not still be going on, but is for selfish reasons, and they are all fighting for their own reasons not a cause.<br />They didn’t look united, Falstaff’s army doesn’t work out (looks like Lazarus)<br />More of a pride issue - Hotspur isn’t open to suggestions or a change in plans (seen through the announcement of his father’s sickness)<br />Rebel cause seems to be collapsing<br />Maybe Hotspur would be giving up, or fighting alone, but he doesn’t want to accept failure<br />How Falstaff and Hal’s relationship will be affected? Who will win in that battle? Falstaff? Or will Hal become the King he says he would be?, Status of soldiers<br />The army was more of volunteering<br />Men not good enough to die - don’t have to have great social status to go into battle<br />The young most insignificant people are often put at the front of the battlefield<br />H and F’s relationship, no longer a joke, real battles. It will put a strain on their relationship. Severity will change Hal’s opinion<br />Pg. 171 - stealing cream for butter. Need some consistency of old self(selves)<br />Relationship will change to where Hal is the authoritative figure over Falstaff<br />Between Scene 2 and 3: Shakespeare juxtaposes two sides of the war. Does he want to guide us to a side?<br />Falstaff’s speech: almost mourning his army which was almost as good as dead<br />Should we like Falstaff? Putting him against Hotspur pushes us to Hotspur’s side (rebels) - therefore a purpose in juxtaposition<br />Falstaff is in it for money, Hotspur is more motivated for war<br />Does shakespeare make you love the bad characters? Rooting for underdog<br />How does knowledge of knowing who will lose effect the conflict?<br />Contrast between bad boys and fools. Who’s the real fool? The man fighting for honor, or the jokester? - Falstaff seems to be on the winning side.<br />Hotspur is naive - war for young men is a heartbreaking experience, but it’s good he shows passion. (naive to carry on w/o Nortumberland’s army). Or maybe he wants to die fighting to be remembered. He is honorable and inspiring<br />Rebel characters seem like foils<br />Vernon’s description of Hal. What was the significance of comparing Hal to Mercury? (Act 4.2). Mercury is greek god of eloquence and travelers (anyone who uses roads). He isn’t really a great person, but he has eloquent moments. Mercury is messenger of gods.<br />As bringing a message to his father to prove himself with a literal message<br />Other people saw Hal as an actual leader. Hal is a fool, and everyone hated him a prince, but now he is a threat.<br />Would people during this time understand the reference? Low-life guys may not, but educated would<br />Hotspur is like Mars - offering dead people to himself.<br /><br />Takeaways<br />Hotspur and his pride, personality transformation, sympathizing for him<br />Comparisons of characters to gods<br />Contrast between Hotspur and Mercury (now more understandable)<br />Back in forth between two different sides in the scenes<br />The idea of the fool in shakespeare’s play<br />Hotspur and Hal arguments<br />Why are the rebels actually fighting? Rebels compared to gods<br />kleclairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03942217584894176389noreply@blogger.com